Gun Safe Security - True Safe Break-in Test - TWS: Ep. 10

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  • moose
    moose  2 weeks back

    Harbor Freight angle grinder lol

    • greenspiraldragon
      greenspiraldragon  3 weeks back

      Try a cutting torch or a plasma cutter then after you get the first layer of steel out of the way just break the concrete with a hammer, then cut the other layer of steel with the torch.

      • guayaco
        guayaco  1 months back

        You won't be able to move that thing around 1280Lb

        • callecoxxx
          callecoxxx  1 months back

          How about starting by cutting off the hinges and through the bolts?

          • What Are Thooose!!!
            What Are Thooose!!!  2 months back

            please make a 24 gun version for atleast under 2g

            • Jim Bo
              Jim Bo  2 months back

              Set the grinder to the depth of the steel. Cut the steel off without hitting the concrete. 3 minutes to get the side wall 1/2 off. Hit concrete with sledge to break it up. Use grinder to open inner steel. Total time....maybe 20 min max. Would love to see it stand up to that.

              • shadowedStranger
                shadowedStranger  2 months back

                That was exactly where my mind went when I saw it. The steel is still thin and easy to remove a large window exposing the concrete which can be beat/cut on and all that's left is the soda can that is the inner layer.

            • tdotson66
              tdotson66  2 months back

              Nice video. Would love to see an honest, two man pry-bar test using 5-6’ pry-bars on this safe. It would appear your locking bolts are undersized. Thanks.

              • romeoneverdies
                romeoneverdies  3 months back

                i agree this will be long and hard to cut ... you would need two blades ... a ablative disk for the metal ( with probably 2 inch cutting depht) and a diamond blade ... like you said wont be cut rapidly in any way shape or form i would guess about 10 to 30 min. and you would need to do 3 pass on each cut ...

                • Timothy Belleson
                  Timothy Belleson  3 months back

                  any good deals on a true safe with some light damage on the rear corner? :)

                  • Big Will
                    Big Will  5 months back

                    How deep is this safe? And will the mid size version be the same depth? I ask because not only would I put guns inside but I want to also put in my more valuable graded Comic Books. The depth will determine how many. Oh and I never heard you say if this is considered a safe by UL whats its rating?

                    • Unknown Unknown
                      Unknown Unknown  7 months back

                      I know what could probably get you inside a TRUE SAFE!!!! How about a 16" gasoline power cutter saw with a 16" diamond blade!?!? I think that my do the trick. Please make a video demonstrating a 16" cutter wheel!!! :-)

                      • Mike E
                        Mike E  8 months back

                        How does the True Safe hold up against impact? E.g. blows with sledgehammer and/or axe?

                        Does the composite concrete break apart?

                        • Mike E
                          Mike E  8 months back

                          Tom Kubiniec thank you Tom!

                        • Tom Kubiniec
                          Tom Kubiniec  8 months back

                          We use version of a fill material that has been used in commercial safe manufacturing for a long time. There have been updates to the "mix" as fiberglass and carbon fiber technology has advanced. It is basically a composite of Cement and several different fiber additives and a few other things.The result is a material that could be described as a stiff, hard oatmeal, You can hit it very hard and it will not crack or break up. It also has an incredible fire tolerance.

                      • JustMe9
                        JustMe9  8 months back

                        Take a cutting wheel to the hinges

                        • Tom Kubiniec
                          Tom Kubiniec  8 months back

                          You can cut the hinges off the safe! But that will not allow you to open it. The hinges allow the door to swing ipon but are not part of the security.
                          You can remove the hinges but the bolts are still engaged. There are bolts on the side of the door with the hinges. ( bolts on all sides, top and bottom)

                      • Michael Ashworth
                        Michael Ashworth  8 months back

                        What about Diamond cutting blade?

                        • No Akomplice
                          No Akomplice  8 months back

                          Smash the concrete layer to dust with a sledgehammer. Problem solved.

                          • YTRulesFromNM
                            YTRulesFromNM  7 months back

                            With drug addiction someone that is friends with you family and has been in your home may need to come in during your vacation for some quick cash and she/he may need to open your beautiful glossy gun safe in your rec room.

                          • No Akomplice
                            No Akomplice  8 months back

                            Ah I see. Then that's great. It's really unfortunate that people have been forced to go to such lengths to keep lowlifes from taking their property.

                          • Tom Kubiniec
                            Tom Kubiniec  8 months back

                            We do not use just cement or concrete. Our safes are filled with a blend of cement, nylon, basalt, fiberglass and a few other ingredients. It is proprietary. You can beat it with a hammer and it does not crumble or turn to dust.

                          • No Akomplice
                            No Akomplice  8 months back

                            Putting some type of fiberglass/mesh or something in the concrete, might make it harder to use a sledgehammer to crush the concrete into dust before using a cutting tool. What's that plastic/polymer that welds itself back together when you try to cut it with a saw or grinder? Perhaps that could be used in some way?

                        • Devil Dog
                          Devil Dog  9 months back

                          Wow wish I could afford that !

                          • Rollofire corvette
                            Rollofire corvette  10 months back

                            Seems like you only want to show grinding on the side of other safes to show how easy it might be, but Not doing the same to your safe. Hmmm.

                            • Tom Kubiniec
                              Tom Kubiniec  10 months back

                              I am not sure I understand. In this video we cut a normal RSC safe very easily with the saw then immediately (without edits) try to cut our True Safe. The minute the saw hits or cement composite fill the blade gets destroyed.
                              You simply can not cut through or True Safe like you can a normal RSC gun safe. Our combination of double walled steel and composite cement fill is incredibly strong and secure.

                              If you would like to see me do it differently, please let me know!

                          • Rollofire corvette
                            Rollofire corvette  10 months back

                            Plunge cut the middle of the safe instead of the reenfored sides, whats the gage of steel in middle?

                            • Tom Kubiniec
                              Tom Kubiniec  10 months back

                              From a safety standard, I not real confident doing a plunge cut with such a light weight saw into steel and cement. I am not sure I could stabilize the saw.
                              The plunge cut makes no difference from a security standpoint. It is not the steel that defeats the blade it is the cement composite we use.

                          • Hunter Lama
                            Hunter Lama  11 months back

                            How does the safe react to an EMP?

                            • Mike E
                              Mike E  8 months back

                              Tom Kubiniec does the, “Answer” use an EMP protected lock too? EMP protection only seems to be listed in the specs for the, “True safe”

                            • Tom Kubiniec
                              Tom Kubiniec  8 months back

                              Hey +Mike E , It is our ties to our customers that drives our success. So many business leaders end up with walls and layers that separate them from their core customers. It is very easy in a growing company to become overly shielded. I make it a point to spend several hours a week reading and directly replying to comments and posts on our social media platforms. I like to be out front and get get customer feedback and comments unfiltered and direct.

                            • Mike E
                              Mike E  8 months back

                              Tom Kubiniec wow, I didn’t expect that response! Impressive.

                              Is the, “Answer” EMP protected as well?

                            • Tom Kubiniec
                              Tom Kubiniec  10 months back

                              We use a S&G model 6120 lock which is EMP resistant

                          • acrobatman
                            acrobatman  11 months back

                            Wow - they put concrete in a double walled safe. Soooi impressive 😀

                            • Mike Smith
                              Mike Smith  11 months back

                              I'd rather have a fort Knox with a layer of stainless and armonox.

                              • Mike Smith
                                Mike Smith  11 months back

                                The idea of using cement has been around a long time.

                                • Tom Kubiniec
                                  Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                  Mike Smith , yes it has! I did a presentation on the history of the gun safe. The design dates back to 1865. Silas Herring and the Herring Safe Company built all sorts of cement or plaster filled safes.
                                  Everything changed in the 70s. That’s when the Liberty’s, Canons and other “modern safes companies” entered the market. Without any new ideas, they all simply found ways to make safes cheaper. The dropped the outer steel box, dropped the cement, the inner steel box became the outside and they lined it with cheap drywall.
                                  This design, while cheap to make, really stinks as far as security and fire go. We have several articles on our web site about this. Also, check out my 2017 SHOT show presentation Video on this channel. I go through the whole story.

                              • Armed ASMR
                                Armed ASMR  11 months back

                                Great work, guys! My goal is to get one of your safes one day! I’ll recommend you guys if anyone asks!

                                • Al Lambert
                                  Al Lambert  11 months back

                                  Hi guys! New guy here. What, exactly, is an "RSC" safe? Or just refer me to whatever thread discusses it.... Many thanx!

                                  • Tom Kubiniec
                                    Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                    Al, Thanks for taking the time to comment.
                                    I did a presentation on what happened to the gun safe industry at Shot show. This is a video of that presentation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRPz6IKdiK4

                                    RSC is "Residential Security Container" This is the UL standard to which gun safes are built. Gun safes will have a stick on the door that say something line "LU Listed class RSC" The safe manufacturers will brag about their "UL listing" as it means their safe is secure. The UL RSC Standard is amazingly low. Class RSC was created back in the 70's when the gun safe industry moved away from what I call traditional safe design. They went to cheaper materials and methods.

                                • Matt Vieira
                                  Matt Vieira  11 months back

                                  When can the public get our hands on a rolling storage like you offer to military on your website?

                                  Id also like to see a 3-4 long gun foot locker style storage. more for easy loading in out of a vehicle then having to buy multiple fast boxes

                                  • icemang17
                                    icemang17  11 months back

                                    I would like to see a sledgehammer-big pry bar test.

                                    • John S
                                      John S  11 months back

                                      How about making the cut starting a couple inches in from the corner like that small black safe.

                                      • Tom Kubiniec
                                        Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                        Got it! -once the saw hits the cement composite it all over. weather it is the edge or middle. We will shoot some video of different ways to try and cut into the safe.

                                    • alfred yu
                                      alfred yu  11 months back

                                      Definitely a believer!! You get what you pay for!!! Good Stuff!!

                                      • maxximus2012
                                        maxximus2012  11 months back

                                        hm, I appreciate you guys putting your product to the test like that, I will seriously be considering this for my gun safe when I get my own house next year, good stuff

                                        • Kevin Thomas
                                          Kevin Thomas  11 months back

                                          I have a model 52 and 2 fast box’s witch I LOVE!!! Anytime I talk to someone about safes I tell them about y’all. Can’t wait to see smaller true safe.

                                          • Adam Skrzypczak
                                            Adam Skrzypczak  11 months back

                                            This is pretty sweet! I've been looking hard at SecureIt for my next safe.

                                            • S. May
                                              S. May  11 months back

                                              I've seen video of two attackers breaking open a safe using a pry bar and a crow bar in less than 2 minutes. It would be great to see how your TRUE Safe stands up to attack by a professional, independent reviewer.

                                              • Tom Kubiniec
                                                Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                                We are working on that. You really can not effectively pry the safe open.

                                              • InkwellFoto
                                                InkwellFoto  11 months back

                                                S. May send it to demolition ranch lol

                                            • William123
                                              William123  11 months back

                                              a smaller, cheaper and lighter model would attract alot more attention from the millions of people who live in apartment complexes, 2nd floor apartments, or move frequently. cant wait to jump on the bandwagon with a smaller model

                                              • InkwellFoto
                                                InkwellFoto  11 months back

                                                Tom Kubiniec I'm waiting too, fantastic idea

                                              • Matt Vieira
                                                Matt Vieira  11 months back

                                                exactly. thats my need too

                                              • Tom Kubiniec
                                                Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                                We agree!!! and are working on that. Can you wait until August? We'll have a sneak peek in July!

                                            • Boobalou kpg
                                              Boobalou kpg  11 months back

                                              Would like to see cutting video in center of wall not corners. Also, the lock that comes with the safe is crap, are there going to be better lock options we can potentially upgrade too?

                                              • jaxbrewery
                                                jaxbrewery  11 months back

                                                Tom Kubiniec I like what I see. Thanks for the demonstration. I, too, am looking for a safe solution and would find a lot value having independent testers filmed while trying to breech the safe. I look forward to that. Keep up the good work!

                                              • Tom Kubiniec
                                                Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                                We are working on that. - Note with the True Safe, if you properly clean and oil your guns you really do not need dehumidifiers in the safe. Unlike Drywall RSCs, there are no corrosive materials in the safe. We see the power option used mainly for lights.

                                              • Boobalou kpg
                                                Boobalou kpg  11 months back

                                                It is very nice to see you be so responsive. I would also add that many people want to see an electrical outlet to attach dehumidifying rods.

                                              • Tom Kubiniec
                                                Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                                Thank you for taking the time to comment. Your points are well noted. We gain a lot of information from customers and enthusiasts. I know we are looking at several different locks, I'll forward your comment to the development team.

                                              • Boobalou kpg
                                                Boobalou kpg  11 months back

                                                I also want to say that despite my criticism, I support what you guys are doing. The "safe industry" is disgusting today; I hope you guys succeed whether I will personally buy your product or not.

                                            • techmarine83
                                              techmarine83  11 months back

                                              First off no one is going to use a circular saw with a stone cutting blade....because a carbide blade is used for masonry, concrete and asphalt.. They will use a disk grinder with a METAL cutting blade. They also WONT attack the corner, they will cut dead center side wall NOT the front either because the corners and door are the thickest point. This whole vid is misleading propaganda.

                                              • YTRulesFromNM
                                                YTRulesFromNM  7 months back

                                                I have a pneumatic chisel to use after we cut a big square out of the sheet metal. And then we can cut some sixteen gauge after power chiselling through about 2 inches of weird concrete.

                                              • Tom Kubiniec
                                                Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                                We used a carbide blade. Carbide is for steel to cut cement or concrete you need a diamond blade with water for cooling and keeping the cutting edge clean(you can cut cement without water but is wears the blade very quickly). The issue here is the diamond blade will completely clog when it touches the metal. It will not cut it. We worked to create a safe that would be very difficult to cut open. Our combination of steel and proprietary cement mix works very well. If you are in the Syracuse area, let us know. We invite you to stop by and bring what ever saw you want and try to cut our safe open.

                                            • V8Marc
                                              V8Marc  11 months back

                                              Off angle camera shot really!!! Thats not proving it!
                                              Secure it
                                              Prove it.

                                              • Tom Kubiniec
                                                Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                                We tried to shoot the video with one take and no edit from cheap RSC to the True safe. You can't cut the true safe! How would you like it shot? we will do it.

                                            • Defying Entropy
                                              Defying Entropy  11 months back

                                              Oh I think it's great but I can't afford it lol..good luck to you.

                                              • Tom Kubiniec
                                                Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                                As I said we are developing a mid priced safe. A big issue is price and security. You simply cannot make a high security safe much less than 3K. Reducing size does not change the cost that much.

                                              • Kyle Champagne
                                                Kyle Champagne  11 months back

                                                Absolutely love your products but the average joe can not afford these. They will just resort to going get a crappy one from academy. If yall can get into or right above the price range of the typical safes academy and cabelas sells you will see an influx in sales bc guys truly want better protection but it cant break the bank. Think about the safes on the market that can hold wayyyy more guns for much much cheaper prices. Once again love the products hopefully yall can bring those prices down

                                              • Kevin Thomas
                                                Kevin Thomas  11 months back

                                                Tom Kubiniec please make the same way! Just smaller.

                                              • Tom Kubiniec
                                                Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                                Stay tuned! we are working on a mid priced solution!

                                            • Jon Hawse
                                              Jon Hawse  11 months back

                                              I bought a Liberty safe, boy did I make a mistake. It got returned to the company that is full of Ds. I should have watched your videos ahead of time. I purchased the Agile 52 Gen 2 and love it.

                                              True Safe looks great. Happy you shared this video. My only concerns are its weight (after my shipping nightmare with the liberty) and external hinges.

                                              How do the hinges hold up with a saw on the True Safe?

                                              Thanks again for the Agile 52. My next purchase will be the 40 and ammo cabinet. Planning on any upcoming 4th of July sales?

                                              • Jon Hawse
                                                Jon Hawse  11 months back

                                                give us a sneak peak of the next products!

                                              • Tom Kubiniec
                                                Tom Kubiniec  11 months back

                                                You can cut the hinges but you will not be able to open the door. There are bolts on all sides. As for weight. It is difficult to properly protect against fire and theft and be light. The steel in the safe alone is 700lbs. Stay tuned though! we have a few other products to be released in August that might interest you.

                                            • Brandon Wiggins
                                              Brandon Wiggins  11 months back

                                              Great video, looking forward to the fire test!

                                              • Michael Shultz
                                                Michael Shultz  11 months back

                                                Impressive. I am waiting to see the door mounted equipment holder. I want one for a closet door.

                                                • Jon Hawse
                                                  Jon Hawse  11 months back

                                                  door mount is in this video. 2:50

                                                  https://youtu.be/SXOYl80eKg0